What‘s Law Got To Do With It?

53. Where's Adam?

Richard and Adam are joined by NOBODY again in this episode of WLGTDWI. The topic of this podcast is best not revealed in the notes, as it's too painful. Just listen.

 

Music Attribution:

What's Love Got to Do with It (Symphonic Version)

by Tina Turner

Buy now: https://VA.lnk.to/80sSymphonic 

52. Law School Forums Lie

Richard and Adam are joined by Jeremy Nason (Zooming in from New Brunswick). Adam comes up with a Criminal Code provision dealing with "creep capturers." No one knows if he's making stuff up. Jeremy names a TV show, How to Get Away with Murder and a movie,  A Time to Kill. Adam recommends Goliath. Not sure why but then Richard then jumps on the bandwagon and recommends All Rise, which is not well-received.

 

Jeremy describes how his law school experience was impossible to prepare for as nothing he read or heard was accurate: law school forums lie. The ways of learning before law school, and the way you think before law school were different; classmates were different but they all have the same goal. His highlight, unexpectedly, was the support systems that law schools have. He had no idea that everyone would care! Richard wonders whether he should read the law school forums. Adam thinks that this podcast takes the place of any forum.

 

Asked to find some problem with law school, Jeremy critiques the false importance of some aspects. Richard thinks that’s a teaching technique. Adam felt same way, as law school was initially a life or death struggle, but then realized that one thing you have to learn is to get comfortable with those he calls catastrophizers (Richard should have commented that there's no such word). Adam, upon further reflection, thinks students need to go through the catastrophe thinking, but develop an immunity to it eventually.

 

Jeremy wonders if COVID was divine intervention as it definitely helped put things in perspective. In terms of the coming year, Jeremy feels remote learning may not be ideal, but there are ways to make it work. In answer to Adam's last question as to what unorthodox study habits he has, Jeremy discusses how he would quiz himself or talk to concepts through while walking around as it helped focus his mind.  A treadmill in every library would allow for more of this.

 

Music Attribution:

What's Love Got to Do with It (Symphonic Version)

by Tina Turner

Buy now: https://VA.lnk.to/80sSymphonic 

51. Trust Me

Richard and Adam are joined again by Kali Dimitrakoudis, who recently finished 1L at Osgoode Hall Law School. She nominates How to Get Away With Murder as her favourite this time (which Richard finds appallingly unrealistic).

 

Adam is studying for Bar Ad exams while social distancing and Richard laments that they are all remote from each other. Adam and Kali go on about the Socratic method and cold-calling again, as Kali has a near "sister act" going on with Sabah, relating her experience in Criminal law class. Kali says she trusted Richard because of listening to the podcast before she began law school.

 

Adam researched quickly while recording the podcast and found a provision in the Assisted Human Reproduction Act and learned you can’t do the gametes thing in Canada. He relates it to the Handmaid’s Tale but it means he admits he has no questions for Kali. All of them discuss doing extra-curricular activities at law school: Kali went to the national negotiation competition in New Brunswick, and they discuss the importance of negotiation in law. Adam talks about his attending the Canadian Client Competition in Edmonton and both of them talk about the bonding that occurs during these types of competitions. Richard explains how he was in the only year at his law school – in its entire 100+ years of existence – that did not have a moot program, so he never got involved in mooting or other forms of oral advocacy.

 

They discuss course selection, a highlight of the summer term for law students. Adam “crushed” his course selection because he thought it was a competition. Kali decides to let Adam make her course selections for her. They finish off by figuring out how one can maximize their course selection.

 

Music Attribution:

What's Love Got to Do With It (Symphonic Version)

by Tina Turner

Buy now: https://VA.lnk.to/80sSymphonic

 

50. Cold Calls & Cannibals

Richard and Adam are joined by Sabah Kalim, a returning guest who recently finished 1L at Osgoode Hall Law School. Sabah contemplates whether she’s now a 2L or not; Adam compares the switchover to a birthday. Paper Chase is nominated as her favourite movie (which takes Richard aback given its age); she relates how first class in Criminal law students were “cold-called” upon just like in the movie; Sabah admits she wouldn’t have known the facts of the case so is glad she wasn’t the chosen one.

 

The group discusses the pandemic and how it will change law school; Adam talks about double uncertainty for the process of finding a job; Richard doesn’t know what he’s talking about but Sabah seems to understand. They chat about online examinations. Richard talks about redesigning his course (which he doesn’t want to be held accountable for, since his thoughts were expressed in early May!)

 

Sabah talks about her varsity athletic career and how she viewed that as a law student;  Adam has only used the term “varsity” three times in his life. Sabah admits that her extracurriculars at law school included being on Angelica’s 22 Minute Workout on One TV. Adam tasks Sabah with developing a workout routine for the podcast

 

Music Attribution:

 

What's Love Got to Do with It (Symphonic Version)
by Tina Turner

Buy now: https://VA.lnk.to/80sSymphonic 

49. Getting Involved - YMMV

Richard and Adam are joined by Viktor Hohlacov, who recently finished 1L at Osgoode Hall Law School. Adam finds a criminal code provision - defence of property - that is controversial and possibly ill-drafted. Adam has gone back in time and about to enter law school. Adam, Richard and Vik continue the existential question of when 1L ends and a new moniker begins. Adam realizes what question to ask a student who has just finished first year. Vik claims law school is the most challenging and rewarding thing he’s done. The group discuss getting involved in extra curricular activities.

 

All engage in a lengthy discussion about student government. Richard doesn’t realize that Vik has NOT BEEN on student government, but WILL BE on student government next year. Vik notes the amount of readings required for law school is significant, and how it may be different between first and second semester. Adam disagrees, even though he has yet to go to law school (at least in his time traveller mode). Pub nights were a highlight for Vik; Adam wonders  if faculty have a pub night. Isolation naturally lends itself to discussion about haircuts. Richard tells the story of getting his haircut with horse clippers while a law student

 

Richard asks for advice teaching Criminal law by Zoom; Vik explains how just showing crimes happening in the streets of Toronto may be beneficial. Adam’s final question asks Vik to give a unique study strategy from his 1L.

 

Music Attribution:

 

What's Love Got to Do with It (Symphonic Version)
by Tina Turner

Buy now: https://VA.lnk.to/80sSymphonic 

48. JD/MBA 1L* - *Asterisks on Asterisks

Richard and Adam are joined by Conor Fitzgerald, a 1L student at Osgoode Hall Law School enrolled in the Joint JD/MBA Program. Conor talks about his unique background and his pursuit of the joint MBA/JD program***. Conor was part of the Arts, Media and Entertainment program at Schulich, where he was exposed to 1Ls before 1L. The group talk about the rhythm of law school. Conor reflects on coming into law school knowing how to fail. Richard and Conor talk about their class without jokes before Conor reveals a deep hatred (kidding) for Richard's classes.

 

Check out Conor's Projects:

 

Bygone Theatre https://www.bygonetheatre.com/

The Toronto Independent Theatre Coalition https://www.thetitc.ca/

 

Music Attribution:

What's Love Got to Do with It (Symphonic Version)
by Tina Turner

Buy now: https://VA.lnk.to/80sSymphonic 

47. High School is Wasted on the Young

Richard and Adam are joined by Kaliopi Dimitrakoudis, who recently finished her first year at Osgoode Hall Law School. 

Adam asks about ride or dies. Richard wonders, if law school is like high school, then is he a high school teacher. Adam shouts out Ovais. Kali reflects on her first year. She explains how she overcame difficulties early in her first year. She admits that she didn't go to enough pub nights despite Adam's advice. Adam shares a first year regret. Kali explains her approach heading into 2L.

Questions?:

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. Tell us about your 1L regrets.
 

Music Attribution:

What's Love Got to Do with It (Symphonic Version)
by Tina Turner

Buy now: https://VA.lnk.to/80sSymphonic 

46. What IS a 1L? - Reflecting on First Year

Richard and Adam are joined by Sabah Kalim, who recently finished 1L at Osgoode Hall Law School. Adam asks about Ride or Dies before rambling on about law school relationships. Sabah reflects on her first year experience. She talks about experiencing guilt and uncertainty. Adam claims he had a mental breakdown in 1L.  

Sabah loves school, Adam is shocked. Adam puts her on the spot about Grad School. Adam and Sabah share their experience with Isolation curing COVID-19 while finishing the easiest and hardest years (respectively) of law school.

Sabah chooses her favourite podcast host. Richard tips the scales. The group talks about the difficulty of taking advice as a 1L.  

Required Readings:

None. Welcome to Season 4!

Questions?:

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. The lack of voicemails seems to indicate no one reads this far.
 

Music Attribution:

What's Love Got to Do with It (Symphonic Version)
by Tina Turner

Buy now: https://VA.lnk.to/80sSymphonic 

45. S'all Good (0L) Man - Predicting the Law School Experience

Richard and Adam are joined by Denis Keimakh, returning guest and future law school attendee (0L). Adam tries out the hand guns before psychoanalyzing Denis. Denis, having never attended law school, is asked to describe various aspects of the experience:

 

What is a typical day like?

What is the exam period like?

What is on a law exam?

What happens at law school social events?

What do you bring into an exam?

 

At first, Adam grades him a B+ on his answers. The group discusses the Socratic method, and other approaches to teaching law. On reflection, Adam considers giving an A. Richard gives exam advice about open book exams. Denis talks about school tours and how he is approaching his choice of what law school to go to. Adam talks about bang for your buck.

 

Required Readings:

 

Scott Lilienfeld, Steven Lynn, John Ruscio, Barry Beyerstein, "50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology: Shattering Widespread Misconceptions About Human Behavior"

 

Questions?:

 

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. Tell us what you bring into an exam.
 

Music Attribution:

 

"Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "Sam Tanner" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuCmgghQ6MA

www.samtanner.london

 

"Cold Sober"

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

44. The Mythical 0L - Razorblading One's Way to Success

Richard and Adam are joined by Denis Keimakh, future law school attendee, better known as a 0L law student. Richard forgets his role on the podcast.

 

Denis shares why he decided to apply to law school. Adam says criminal law is the only interesting part of criminal law. Adam asks if the podcast has left any questions unanswered. Richard is suspiciously familiar with "razor-blading textbooks". Writing the LSAT electronically. Denis talks about touring Osgoode and attending Mock Trial (variety show). What is law school really like? The group discusses the diversity of backgrounds at law school; both serious and relaxed. Adam talks about regrets from 1L.

 

Adam asks Denis what advice he would give himself at the beginning of the process to getting to law school.

 

7sage LSAT Prep FREE youtube videos.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKVQOf1GQy4m-bRO_qXvafg

 

Required Readings:

 

Scott Lilienfeld, Steven Lynn, John Ruscio, Barry Beyerstein, "50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology: Shattering Widespread Misconceptions About Human Behavior"

 

Questions?:

 

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. Tell us about your favourite composer?
 

Music Attribution:

 

"Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "Sam Tanner" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuCmgghQ6MA

www.samtanner.london

 

"Cold Sober"

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

43. Well-Programmed AI - Professors are People Too

Richard and Adam are joined by Dan Priel, Associate Professor at Osgoode Hall Law School. Danny, as his friends refer to him, taught Adam Torts and teaches a variety of courses at Osgoode. The group discusses this unlikely hypothesis raised by Richard: Professors are people too. Adam doesn't believe it.

Danny explains that students only see professors during their "performance", particularly early on. Adam talks about the shock and awe of sitting in Danny and Richard's classes on his first day. An unexpected question arises: Have you ever been hurt my students? Luckily, neither prof. has been assaulted but both share difficult moments in their teaching careers. What impact does attire have on the perceptions of professors. Can they wear a toga to teach? Adam interrogates his professors on the grading process, and much is revealed! Other topics include prep time for teaching and Danny's dream propositions for future seminars focused on Curb Your Enthusiasm and musical appreciation.

 

Required Readings:

 

Scott Lilienfeld, Steven Lynn, John Ruscio, Barry Beyerstein, "50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology: Shattering Widespread Misconceptions About Human Behavior"

 

 

"Curb Your Enthusiasm & the Law" Seminar Readings:

 

Curb Your Enthusiasm (Series 2, Episode 3) - 7 October, 2001

 

Music Appreciation Class Listenings:

 

Gustav Mahler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPLiEsp4yQU

 

Questions?:

 

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. Tell us about your favourite composer?
 

Music Attribution:

 

"Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "Sam Tanner" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuCmgghQ6MA

www.samtanner.london

 

"Cold Sober"

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

42. A Stoic Gaze into the Pandemic

Richard and Adam are joined by NOBODY in this special episode of WLG2DWI. Speaking over ZOOm video conferencing, the duo discuss the prospect of dealing with barriers to law school outside of their control. They discuss how students can overcome these challenges. Richard and Adam talk about their own isolation. Professor Haigh thinks that students may have more time but he is completely insensitive to those who are struggling with the crisis. Adam says stay social and work out for God's sake.

 

Required Readings: 

 

The Obstacle is the Way - Ryan Holiday

 

Man's Search for Meaning - Victor Frankl

 

The Power of Habit - Charles Duhogg

 

Questions?:

 

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. Please share with us your experience with the pandemic and law school.
 

Music Attribution:

 

"Cold Sober"

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

 

"Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "The Scissors" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPoArsw1XXY

www.thescissors.com

41. How Are You? A "Real" International Student

Richard and Adam are joined by Baiqing Luo a second-year student at Osgoode Hall Law School and a "true International student" from China. Baiqing shares her experience tackling law school in a foreign land. Richard and Adam interrogate Baiqing on her experience writing the LSAT in Hong Kong while working full-time and on her arrival in Canada for her first day of law school.

 

Baiqing explains that she moved to Canada for the weather! Adam admits he has never been to the 4 seasons. She admits that the Canadian question "how are you?" is perplexing before reviewing Canadian Friendliness. You might be surprised by her rating! Baiqing also shares some experiences unique to Canada and answers some questions about her future residence.

 

Required Readings:

 

None! Prep for that LSAT!

 

Questions?:

 

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail.  Are you an international student? Let us know.

 

Music Attribution:

 

"Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "Sam Tanner" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuCmgghQ6MA

www.samtanner.london

40. On Resilience & How to Kill a Mocking Bird

Richard and Adam are joined by Simran Singh, a second year law student at Osgoode Hall Law School and returning guest to the show. No one knows what the readings are. Richard admits that he has watched Training Day, Adam doubts Denzel again. Simran picks a favourite movie that he has never seen. This week's topic: Perseverance. Simran discusses a couple setbacks he persevered through. He shares how he overcame falling behind in 1L. Adam changes his whole perspective on law school. Richard tries to name the podcast.

 

The group agrees that the challenge of law school is something that should be embraced.

 

Required Readings: 

 

http://www.jamie-foxx.us/2015/12/jamie-foxx-on-the-tim-ferriss-show/

 

Questions?:

 

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. Tell us about your special struggle. 
 

Music Attribution:

 

"Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "The Scissors" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPoArsw1XXY

www.thescissors.com

39. Spoiler Alert - Alternative Approaches to Law Jobs

Richard and Adam are joined by Jennah Khaled and Patrick McCaugherty second-year students at Osgoode Hall Law School and returning guests to the show. The group continues their discussion of Research Assistantships and moves into the common topic of creativity. Jennah disparages a number of professions. Richard gets defensive about a reflective journal assignment. When should one try to be creative in law school? When should one refrain?

 

Adam claims that beggars cannot be choosers when it comes to law jobs. Jennah discusses a love for fiction that doesn't mesh with law school at times. She proposes that legal analysis tends to leave behind the human facts underlying the cases. Patrick comments on thinking outside of the box in order to achieve career goals and not falling into the traditional job traps. How do we think strategically in creative ways? Richard talks about "deemed Mondays".

 

Required Listenings:

 

PODCAST: Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick - Law, Justice, and the Courts - https://open.spotify.com/show/7DpL32jgjwBTah8o9HQkBl?si=qhZEGntTSL2cFWealGkJGw

 

Questions?:

 

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. Give us your best impression of a Monday on a Friday.
 

Music Attribution:

 

"Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "Sam Tanner" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuCmgghQ6MA

www.samtanner.london

38. Sequels Suck, so Does End-of-Term

Richard and Adam are joined by Michael McNeely, a 3L student at Osgoode Hall Law School and returning guest to the show. Unfortunately, sequels never do that well. The group spoils Erin Brockovich. Michael brings up the difficulties law students face in staying faithful to their reasons for coming to law school. Adam remains faithful to finding the job in which he will be least liked. Michael talks about his own case in the legal system.

 The gang discusses the worst part of the year, the end of term. Why must it be this way?  Adam claims its a chance to compile all things you've learned in the term. He proceeds to compare rabbits and hares. Michael takes issue with 100% exams as representative of lawyering abilities. Is there a chance to learn the law in areas you miss out on in law school? Richard thinks so. The trio brainstorm alternatives to the current law school system of learning.

  Required Readings: 

 None. Go learn Real Estate Law.

 Questions?:

 Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. What creative learning strategies could get you out of exams?
 

Music Attribution:

 "Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "The Scissors" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPoArsw1XXY

www.thescissors.com

37. Research Assistant-ships & Innuendos

Richard and Adam are joined by Jennah Khaled and Patrick McCaugherty second-year students at Osgoode Hall Law School. Jennah and Patrick discuss being an RA (that’s research assistant for those unaware). The newest voicemail is played on air! A law student waxes poetic about the podcast, especially Adam. Richard thinks it’s a set-up.

 

The Good Wife gets another nod from Jennah while Patrick gives Suits another vote, so those two are running neck-and-neck in our most popular law show category. Suits vs. Good Wife is now an official poll. Adam doesn’t get that a dramatic show doesn’t need to be funny.

 

Pants were returned to the mall after an exam, although it isn’t clear why or what that has to do with being an RA. Adam, despite being hungover, engages in excellent cross-examination of the guests. Research on roads and railways was one of their summer projects. While some people may say directly that it might be boring, Adam thinks its better to say it’s "not wrong" to say that it's boring.

 

Everyone discusses the benefits of an Raship. The guests single out the philosopher-king RA and also talk about doing the job while located remotely from the professor with little or no supervision. Richard suggests that the students are treated as near-professional adults.

 

Jennah explains working at an asylum legal clinic in Tijuana; how law students can get fascinating summer jobs related to the law

 

Adam calls Richard “Sir”.

 

 

Required Readings: 

 

None! Go ask a Prof for a job!

 

Questions?:

 

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. Can you beat this week's voicemail?
 

Music Attribution:

 

"Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "The Scissors" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPoArsw1XXY

www.thescissors.com

36. A Denzel Guy - Advice for 2Ls

Richard and Adam are joined by Simran Singh, a second year law student at Osgoode Hall Law School. Simran is a little under the weather, but shares his insights on the 2L workload. Adam shows some animosity towards Denzel Washington. The group discusses how the skills and efficiency from 1L are brought into 2L. Simran shares the "gold medalist" strategy for success, and how he deviated from it.

 

Is an interest in reading crucial to law school? Adam describes his naïve undergrad reading habits and challenges students to get mad about cases they learn about. Professor Haigh swears, finally. Simran rants about the connection between emotion and reasoning before explaining how not to write a personal statement. This episode has all the advice you don't want to miss out on!

 

 

Required Readings: 

 

Why are you reading this? Read for class!

 

Questions?:

 

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. Disagree with us? We want to know! (Talking to you Denzel).
 

Music Attribution:

 

"Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "The Scissors" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPoArsw1XXY

www.thescissors.com

35. Professing Across Canada - Boyz 2 Mens Rea

Richard and Adam are joined by Howie Kislowicz, Associate Professor at the University of Calgary to talk about law school culture and the view from the lectern. Adam does his readings... Kind of. Howie asks, "What's your law and order dream team?". Howie contrasts his earlier experiences teaching at the University of New Brunswick. The group discusses sense of community, class sizes, participation, diversity in admissions and more!

Howie and Richard discuss the challenge of choosing what your students call you. First name? Or Professor X? Howie shares the Kislowicz Unintentional Singing Promise (KUSP), where he made a promise to his students that he will sing a response to any question sung to him in class. Richard and Adam dive into Howie's law-themed love songs and discover the origin story of a great artist in a law school boy band.

Required Readings Listenings:

https://soundcloud.com/howie-kislowicz

Questions?:

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. WLG2DWI-USP doesn't have the same ring to it, but sing in a question and we will sing a response.

Music Attribution:

 "Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "Sam Tanner" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuCmgghQ6MA

www.samtanner.london

Howie Kislowicz - "Country Love Song" [excerpt], "Administrative Lover" [outro].
Find it at https://soundcloud.com/howie-kislowicz

34. The Hunt for Bees - Upper Year Courses

Richard and Adam are joined by Oliver Backman, a 2L student at Osgoode Hall Law School. Adam performs his worst intro ever. Oliver talks about his role in the play "Inherit the wind" prior to law school. The group discusses the distinctions between upper year classes and first year classes. Oliver shares his observations as a new 2L, surrounded by more specialized or experienced students in certain subject areas. Richard and Adam stretch the comparison to medical school as far as they can. Do students go to law school on a whim?

 

The gang discusses the intertwining of law subjects and Adam shares some stories from his 2L summer job in criminal law. Richard commends Oliver for his in class jokes. Oliver replicates a joke on the show and plugs his podcast. Professor Haigh is Aretha Franklin.

 

 

Required Readings: 

 

Steven A. Abreu, Sunstein Law, "Crazy In Love With Trademarks: What Can Jay-Z and Beyoncé Teach Us About Trademark Filing?" April 22, 2012. https://www.sunsteinlaw.com/publications/sa-crazy-in-love-with-trademarks-what-can-jay-z-and-beyonc%C3%A9-teach-us-about-trademark-filing

 

LISTEN: Beyond a Reasonable Podcast - BARpodcast.libsyn.com

 

WATCH: Inherit the Wind (1960)

 

Questions?:

 

Call 681-443-7763 and leave a voicemail. Please send us your law-themed jokes, we will play them on the show!.
 

Music Attribution:

 

"Black Vortex"

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

 

"Tina Turner - What's Love Got To Do With It?"
Cover by "The Scissors" @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPoArsw1XXY

www.thescissors.com